AP RO Buying Advice
Hi Everyone,I am in the hunt for a an AP Royal Oak, though it is not for me but a gift. The recipient has a smaller wrist and tends to prefer smaller and more vintage/classically styled watches. In doing some cursory research and seeing some pieces in person I believe the 15202 is the one to get. Is that true? And on the 15202, is there a common or normal amount of discounting to be had at an AD? Like, should I expect at least 5% or 10%, or if I get 10% or 15% to jump at the deal? I'm experienced with watches but not buying a lot of them, and not buying any more than a Rolex Submariner. Any and all advice/input is greatly appreciated all wise forum group! Thanks!!

SMPC under the sea...cos I'm a poet and didnt even know it...
Dive watches are made for under the sea as far as I'm concerned...All my dive watches have to be able to come with me in the silent world. This graduation gift will see a LOT of bottom time I tell you..in this last 2 years it's performed admirably...Sorry for the murky pictures but visibility was bad .A few photos of my last dive last weekend ...well whats the time...Guess its time to go buddy ;)...Hope you enjoyed the pics ...

New Luminors! PAM1000 & PAM1005
Officine Panerai announced the discontinuation of the models PAM0000 and PAM0005 in favor of the face-lifted versions sporting the latest revisions of the Luminor Marina 44mm product group. The new models will be named PAM01000 and PAM01005. The Italian origin Swiss watchmaker Officine Panerai announced that the models PAM00000 and PAM00005 will be discontinued. Known to be the two best sellers of the brand, those legendary models will be face-lifted referring to the latest revisions in the Luminor Marina 44mm product line and named as PAM01000 and PAM01005 respectively. The new models will bear the serial no. starting with S which stands for the production period of March 2016 �C April 2017. Besides the upgrades like integrated bezel and easy strap change spring bars which we are familiar with the recent releases of the Luminor Marina 44m family, the new models will also bear the snap on caseback ( and WR100M rating accordingly ). We are also informed that the new ref. Models �Cunlike

2 year waiting list for Submariner date in UK
Hey, I wondered if anyone in the UK knew if quoted waiting list times were usually fairly accurate or just quoted to scare people off?I�ve contacted all of my local AD�s, one said Subs are first come first serve, another said the waiting list is closed because it�s too long and the last and only AD who would put me on a list said it�s a 2 year wait. Never heard of such a long wait time for a sub. Thanks

Chicken or Egg
Does the inventory held by grey market sellers cause the shortage on popular scarcity watches. Is the grey market causing the inflated prices or are they just taking advantage of the shortage? My inclination is to believe the later however since there are always high demand models available if one is willing to pay a premium, it cause me to consider their impact.