What ref should I buy
HiI am currently considering adding a Patek but am unsure as to which one to go for (for reference I currently have a speedmaster, 116710ln and a 5513 sub from early 70s). Until recently I was planning to get a AP15300 White dial and in a couple of years add a Patek classic complications model in gold (likely 5146) but I am now also considering the following options - 5167 and Patek 5146 - 5711 and Patek 5146My main considerations are- whilst 5167 is nice it's a lot for a watch on rubber and at list the difference to 5711 is not that significant but it may be nice as something different (more sporty - nautilus is to me something in between sport and dress watch) assuming I am anyways getting a 5146 or similar and have a couple of steel Rolexes - is 5711/5167 overpriced/overrated in general even at list and better to get a ap15300 plus 5146 as was my original thought ( I don't want the 15202 as no seconds hand, tried it on recently)Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Any of you Patek owners vintage Rolex collectors also?
I was all ready to pull the trigger on my first Patek this week. Well the offer fell through and a friend of mine said I really need to give vintage Rolex a try. He says, New watches are cold and lifeless. I said if my Patek deal feel through, I'd give it a shot. Well, deal fell through and I half committed to a vintage Rolex (1675). (based on condition, paperwork, etc, but it is apparently very top condition - not rare however).Well, now the Patek deal is back on the table as previous buyer backed out (briefly I'm sure). So, any Patek fans here also vintage Rolex guys? I have a 16610 and a 116610lv. Should I go entry Patek first or mid-tier vintage Rolex. If I go Patek, I have to back out of my Rolex agreement, but I it would not be end of the world.

First Panerai, 1090 vs 1312
Hi guys! Looking to purchase my first Panerai and got it down to either the 1090 or 1312. I tried both at my local AD and can't decide. I was hoping I can get some insight from you guys/owner exxperiences. Also, the AD offered me 15% off the price; is that a good discount for these two models?Thanks guys!

Panerai 233 or Datejust 2
I will post this on the Rolex Forum as well. Considering another watch and on my wish list (apart from the pm models) are pan 233 or the Datejust Ii fluted black dial white stick markers.My current collection which i will not be getting rid of any consists of a Rolex DSSD, Rolex gmt master 2c Ln, and a Rolex Sub 16610I am sure i will eventually get both in the collection at some point but which would you go for first? I am guessing as this is the Panerai forum most will say the 233.

What do you guys think of this aftermarket bracelet.
I always wanted a steel braclet for my Pam but I was not going to pay $3000+ only on a steel bracelet. So one day surfing the web I bought this aftermarket steel bracelet that fit perfectly for my Pam.I presonally think it looks great. Now what do you guys think.