New to Me Vintage Omega
I found this while shopping around a little today in Tulsa OK between appointments. Has ingraving on the back for a 25 year service award from 1981. I am noticing that a lot of these watches are engraved on the back for a 25-30 year service award. This on has the original box and everything seem below. I did notice that the de ville on the dial is in script font versus block lettering. Can someone help shed a little bit of light on this piece and possibly a value of it? The bracelet is an original Omega leather strap with the gold Omega buckle. Also the Crystal is original as it has the Omega symbol in the center of the plexi.

Seamaster vs. Speedmaster
The following was originally incorporated into a response to Mike B's thread entitled Seamaster vs. Speedmaster for an everyday wearer ??. I did not want to risk hijacking that thread so am posting it separately for discussion:Quote:

My one complaint about the 5164....
Hello everyone here at TRF! I've been mulling over this post for some time wondering if I should even start a thread like this. I am a person who always tries to focus on the good aspects of people and things and ignore the negatives. That is especially true when discussing an item like a Patek Philippe watch which is truly as close to perfection as one can expect from a man-made item. All that said, I am really struggling to get past one issue with the watch that is driving me up the wall.....the incredibly loud (relatively speaking) rotor noise.Now I know this issue has been raised before. For whatever reason, the 324 movement is a noisy movement. Now, I have owned the 5167 Aquanaut in the past and it seems that the movement in the 5164 is even more noticeable and it's really taking away from my enjoyment of the watch. As a matter of fact, I was in a meeting the other day. The room was somewhat quiet as someone was presenting. When suddenly the guy sitting next to me said he

Are Pateks collectible?
Are Pateks collectible in general? Or are there certain models that you look out for? The reason I ask is that I was looking through Henry Grave's auction through Sotheby and he has watches that he bought for $40K which are valued at $200K...is this a general theme for most PPs?Say - the Nautilus. In 20 years, will it command a high price?Just wondering. Thanks!

Submariner with date and worth the wait
New member here. First time Rolex owner. Finally popped my cherry on a black stainless steel submariner. Love it. But wanted to share my buying experience to give the members here another datapoint on the current shortage of professional models. I live in San Diego California and spent about a month constantly calling and visiting 3 or 4 of the Rolex ad's trying to find one in stock. No luck. Best I could do was get one to say they they would call me if one came in. All I got was a call for a no date. But even that was sold by the time I went in to buy it. So I shifted gears and went on a trip to Las Vegas. I made the rounds figuring one of those fancy casino ad's would have one. Well the first place, tourneau in caesars forum shops had one but it was already on the buyers wrist who walked in 10 minutes before me! Undaunted I went to the Bellagio shop and no luck either. Finally I went to the ad at the Wynn. (Insert your Steve Wynn joke here). Really nice dealer lady said they didn't