Moritz Grossman Benu And Atum Watches From Glashutte
Moritz Grossman is a name you probably haven't heard of before, which is a bit surprising given the lineage of the man the company is named for. Back in 1842, Herr Grossman began a watchmaking apprenticeship, which he ended up completing early due to his talent. Over the next 13 years, he traveled around Europe (including a stop in La Chaux-de-Fonds), before coming back to Dresden in 1845. And this year, a new chapter in the legacy of Mortiz Grossman sees a new high-end German watch brand.In Dresden, Mortiz's good friend Adolph Lange (yes, the A. Lange) had established his facilities in Glash��tte, and convinced Grossman to stay in the area. Stay he did, creating things such as the Glash��tte lathe, and various escapements and other movement improvements until his death in 1885. Grossman is part of the history of German watchmaking and today his name is on the face of some gorgeous, wonderfully Germanic timepieces of a high pedigree.Given the name this brand carries, and where it's locat

RO 15450-white or grey dial? Discounts?
I went watch shopping yesterday and was able to try on some ROs' for the first time. My impression was that the 15400 was too large but the 15450 felt 'right'.Having got over my initial reservations regarding wearability, i need to decide between the white and grey dials. I thought the white dial is nice (and more traditional) but the grey seemed to pop out a little bit more. Going thru this forum, most mentions of the 15450 is in white dial with few of the greys. Is this a new option that was introduced recently?If you have the option, would you choose the white or grey dial?In terms of pricing, one AD (white dial) offered 10% whilst the other (listed multi-national) initially said pricing on SS sports models are firm. After some gentle persuasion, 5% was offered. For a SS 15450, what level of discounts can be expected/can I (reasonably) push for?Going to visit them again today. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.

Navitimer 1461/52
I'm the original owner of a barely-used Navitimer 1461/52. Any clue on its approximate private-party value?Pardon the attached photo!

Got this idea from Fr John, thanks!
After some self enabling thru lookin at the pics of Fr John's Carribean 22558000, I score one myself, new in box, from a brick and mortar shop.However I can never get the original bracelet to fit properly, it is either too loose with half link more or tight without that half link, to the extent the diver extension can self activate.I earlier ordered an off-market mesh for my PO2500 but since the original PO bracelet fitted so weel, I left her alone.I saw some of Fr John's pics of his 2255 on mesh and thought I properly can give it a try. Now my 2255 fits slightly better and I think she has this retro look with that mesh on!

Thoughts on the 5711 in Rose Gold
I know that for some the idea of a gold Nautilus is sacrilege .. I understand why, but for me I love the idea of a Patek in gold and more over, I want a 5711 very badly, but I don't want to wait for years for an SS... I can get a new Rose Gold from an authorized dealer for $51000, which for me is a lot more palatable than paying $35000 for a gray market watch that is made of SS... I'm not buying the watch as an investment but I am curious if you expert members feel the long term value / resale of a 5711/1R would be poor? Sure it will not be as good as the SS, but will it be poor? The watch looks amazing and has a heft that the SS model doesn't... I especially love the brown dial..Thoughts?