Introducing the Autodromo Group B
Although I'm a firm believer in the similarities between car enthusiasts and watch enthusiasts and the common mechanical bent that binds us, I'll be the first to admit that the vast majority of "automotive-inspired" watches are dismal. Most take their inspiration far too literally, painting in broad strokes and placing automotive elements (tachometer markings, racing number roundels, or god forbid an actual steering wheel or disc brake) front and center, rather than allowing them to flavor what should be first and foremost sound and attractive watch design.The best of these attempts take a singular design concept and stick to just that, without beating the viewer over the head with car imagery. One of the best at this in the current watch market is Autodromo. In recent years, the brand has delivered a string of great automotive pieces from the Prototipo to the sublime Stradale, and they've topped all their previous efforts with their latest- the Group B.The FIA World Rally Championship

15202 & 15400 pictures
Does anyone have pictures of the 15202 & 15400 side by side?

Should I pull the trigger on this 2009 ROO?
I'm on holiday and was offered this new 2009 AP ROO from an AD for $17,000 (15% off retail of $20k) with no tax:.vialuxe/Audemars-Pigu...1/Watch/501428It's the new silvered dial with red accents on SS bracelet. And it has AP's new in-house movement. The watch is stunning but I am new to AP and am just not sure if 15% off is fair in this economy. I could easily get 20% off a Rolex, maybe even 25%. The AD of course told me that like Panerai, authorized dealers can not discount much off AP watches. Opinions on this deal?

Difficult choices - PAM574 or PAM512
Which one would you prefer ? And why ?PAM512 Model: Radiomir 1940 Movement: Calibre P.999Hand-wound mechanical, P.999 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 12 lignes, 3.4 mm thick, 19 jewels, Glucydur? balance, 21,600 alternations/hour. Incabloc? anti-shock device. Swan's neck regulator. Power reserve 60 hours. 154 components.PAM574 Model: Radiomir 1940 Movement: Calibre P.1000Hand-wound mechanical, P.1000 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 12 lignes, 3.85 mm thick, 21 jewels, Glucydur? balance, 28,800 alternations/hour. KIF Parechoc? anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. 152 components.

which one of these watches is the best value
hello everybody,i'm a rookie, both to rolex and watches in general. after much looking around, i have decided on a new submariner 116610LN. so i checked with a couple of ADs nearby here's what i got offered:model - price - wait time114060 - $6,400 (2-3 months)116610LN - $7,300 (1-2 months)116610LV - $8,165 (3-4 months)116713LN - $11,785 (ready stock)the questions i have are: - are these good prices? i've read on several threads here that 'how you buy' is important. this will be my first luxury watch, so i don't have a relationship with any AD. it seems expecting a discount is normal, but it also seems no AD has the SS subs in stock, so i'm thinking why would they even discount it? - i am noticing that these are below list prices on the rolex website. now, i started off wanting to buy a 116610LN, but if the prices on some of the other models are better (in terms of resale value), i don't mind buying it.for example if the $100 watch will resell for $80 but the $200 watch will sell for